HOW TO PREPARE YOUR VIRGIN TO GET SIDEWAYS

[SUPERSTAR]

I just bought my 93 240sx Fastback...stock 5 speed.
What are the first steps to take and what parts should I change to get me on the track to start learning?

I don't have lots of money cus I got 2 girlfriends and a wife on the side.
So I want to start the cheapest way first and if I find it interesting? then I will upgrade what you suggest as I develope my skills.

[Tyrone Biggums]

LSD LSD LSD .....people always think its power or coilovers but LSD .....not the drugs tho .....its more common for 240 owers to weld the diff...im not 100 percent sure but i dont think 240 come with a factory lsd.i kno turbo 2 rx7, fd rx7, ae86 GTS corollas do come with a factory diff

[DreamN]

:lol: :lol: this is just too funny.

[Tyrone Biggums]

oh yeah i found this out the hard way dont always count on a spin turn knob its better just to gut the ebrake for events but put everything back when yu need to use it for parking reasons

[DreamN]

spin turn knob? lol wouldn't consider that such a necessity. the lsd i would assume is the main thing, but in reality all you need is an open spot (preferably a track) and a car that's in good running condition. I would rather start with a stock car and learn with that till you get all your figure 8s and powerslides in order. Possibly even hold a mild drift. then to better learn control of your a welded diff or a 2 way would help loads. now after many tires gone to the grave invest in some suspension goodies (i.e. coilovers, tension rods, tie rods and ends, rear upper control arms...). By the time anyone gets to this level they should have a good feel for their car and actually know how their parts work or have the general idea of how they work.

[BlackParade]

spin turn knob? lol wouldn't consider that such a necessity.


this is comming from someone who doesnt drift! haha You do actually need something to make sure that your ebrake goes all the way down. When your drifting, i mean really drifting hardcore, your concentrating on your line or what ther person in front of you is doing while still trying to hold your line. without the knob you dont realize that your ebrake is up till you go to rip on it. And if its been locked for a good slide, when you go to use it, its not there or it wont grab because you essentially glazed the pads.

the rest of yor info was pretty good though.
Order in which you should work on your car:
General Maintanace
LSD
coilovers
Then the rest of the suspension arms along with a race alignment.

[90 DGRZ]

yea, ernie make sure you have SOME sort of LSD before you hit any track so you dont look like those clowns that show up to the event with open diff lol

[DRIFT-ELITE]

spin turn knob? lol wouldn't consider that such a necessity.


this is comming from someone who doesnt drift! haha You do actually need something to make sure that your ebrake goes all the way down. When your drifting, i mean really drifting hardcore, your concentrating on your line or what ther person in front of you is doing while still trying to hold your line. without the knob you dont realize that your ebrake is up till you go to rip on it. And if its been locked for a good slide, when you go to use it, its not there or it wont grab because you essentially glazed the pads.

the rest of yor info was pretty good though.
Order in which you should work on your car:
General Maintanace
LSD
coilovers
Then the rest of the suspension arms along with a race alignment.




yeha i did that once or twice....changed my rear pads like three time in like 6 months

[Koifish]

open diff rocks!!! jk yes lsd played a big part in drifting.

[DreamN]

spin turn knob? lol wouldn't consider that such a necessity.


this is comming from someone who doesnt drift! haha You do actually need something to make sure that your ebrake goes all the way down. When your drifting, i mean really drifting hardcore, your concentrating on your line or what ther person in front of you is doing while still trying to hold your line. without the knob you dont realize that your ebrake is up till you go to rip on it. And if its been locked for a good slide, when you go to use it, its not there or it wont grab because you essentially glazed the pads.

the rest of yor info was pretty good though.
Order in which you should work on your car:
General Maintanace
LSD
coilovers
Then the rest of the suspension arms along with a race alignment.

He's preparing his so-called "virgin" for drifting. do you honestly believe that's one of the first things to be done for a "drifter"? c'mon, he won't know how and what line to follow for awhile. if he's following anyone at the current I'm praying no one is following him. so even though I don't drift, it doesn't mean I don't know ish about it. c'mon I've been in a community who freakin drools at the mention of the word with idiots who hump stickers that say drift on them while they themselves have never even come close to performing a proper powerslide.

but then again maybe the super dorifuto spino turno knobo is the way to go :lol:

[BlackParade]

dude....come on...Knowing about it is one thing, actually experiencing it is another. That little 10 dollar knob is a lot of guys first mod for the reasons i stated earlier. Think what you want. but it helps. Being around people who like drifting doesnt mean a thing. come on, I know you understand what im talking about becuase i know your not retarded.

[DRIFT-ELITE]

he's just saying that it's a good idea to get it cuz most rookies/begginers make the mistake of leaving the e-brake up...either way its a good investment and comes in handy to say the least....


ans this is coming from someone who does drift...or atleast tries too :) :)

[DreamN]

I get what you're saying and I wouldn't doubt it being one of first things done. reason being they're cheap and trendy, but at least provide a use. I just don't see it as a huge part when starting out. but you're right in the fact that I don't have the first hand experience on that so I'll go with you on this one. :pika:

[BlackParade]

good man....incase you dont really get how it works. It cancels the spring that makes the button pop back up automatically. When the spring is canceled, the button is permanantley depressed, meaning ittl never stay up after you use the ebrake. and that knob is so that you could pull up on it when you want to use it to park, or push it when your ready to run.

[DreamN]

lol I know the use of it. few friends of mine have them even though they don't drift. bugged me a couple times to get one already lol. most likely will just to match a few other gold accents in the interior.

[BlackParade]

hahahaha!!!!!!
poser! jk
see ya at the track.

[DreamN]

lol definitely. though there's a slight chance I won't be there Saturday for all the ride-a-longs and ish. Hopefully all goes to plan though. Next week is going to be a little hectic, I can already tell.


200 POSTS!!!

[BlackParade]

im gonna be giving ride alongs on sunday, you could ride with me if you like.

[DreamN]

Sweet. I'm up for it. :mrgreen:

[BlackParade]

for shizzle!

Post number 69 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tyrone Biggums]

spin turn knob? lol wouldn't consider that such a necessity.


this is comming from someone who doesnt drift! haha You do actually need something to make sure that your ebrake goes all the way down. When your drifting, i mean really drifting hardcore, your concentrating on your line or what ther person in front of you is doing while still trying to hold your line. without the knob you dont realize that your ebrake is up till you go to rip on it. And if its been locked for a good slide, when you go to use it, its not there or it wont grab because you essentially glazed the pads.

the rest of yor info was pretty good though.
Order in which you should work on your car:
General Maintanace
LSD
coilovers
Then the rest of the suspension arms along with a race alignment.

He's preparing his so-called "virgin" for drifting. do you honestly believe that's one of the first things to be done for a "drifter"? c'mon, he won't know how and what line to follow for awhile. if he's following anyone at the current I'm praying no one is following him. so even though I don't drift, it doesn't mean I don't know ish about it. c'mon I've been in a community who freakin drools at the mention of the word with idiots who hump stickers that say drift on them while they themselves have never even come close to performing a proper powerslide.

but then again maybe the super dorifuto spino turno knobo is the way to go :lol:
yu must have read it wrong i said "GUT IT" spin turns knobs are NOT super reliable

[SUPERSTAR]

Holy Crap, I though I logged on to Nicco or Zilvia for a minute.

Makes me not wanna drift no more. Screw it I'm buying a civic.!! :x

[DreamN]

si? el civic es good. es sabe joo mahnie for deh gasolina.

oh and if our little discussion came off as an argument, my apologies. I know it wasn't my intention. :)

[90 DGRZ]

yah yah fuck 240's buy a civic! i daily one everyday and beat the shit out of it...i love it!

[DreamN]

you have a saturn with a body kit.

[SUPERSTAR]

:lol: :lol: :lol:
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g238/touge562/DTC%20BBQ%203-16-08/DSC_0180.jpg

[Gary.Suk]

So Ernie, you should paint your helmet to resemble a Luchador mask.

[azndoc]

This is what I suggest for those who want to get into drifting.


Don't do it. Save your money. Have a life. Get a nice car.


But if you still want to do it then read on.

Parts I recommend having.

1.) 2 way mechanical LSD ( I use Tomei and love it)

2.) Coilover ( I believe that ride height does help a lot when it comes to the actual driftability of the car. Too high and you sway and dip too much.) But don't go too low either. Wiring might get fucked on the front fender if you don't relocate and bottoming out all the time sucks balls)

3.) The little drift e-brake button ( because it fucking works and it comes in handy when your too lazy to have to push in the knob thing all the time)

4.) Bucket seat and harness ( you need a good bucket seat that will hold you in and allow you to concentrate on driving rather than trying to balance yourself. )

Engine wise you can drift in sohc which I have before and for sure KA dohc. I actually believe that drifting a KA is easier and better for those who are beginning. The powerband is consistent and as a noob driver you don't have to worry about turbo lag.

Every other upgrade is a luxury or just an upgrade that I don't think you need other than what I listed above.

Also don't be afraid to look like a jackass out there. Everyone sucked starting. Get good at donuts and figure 8's and the rest is easy. Reason being that you really need to learn about throttle control, car control, steering wheel control, and most importantly you need to be at ease being sideways.

Good luck and have fun.

[Peter]

Also don't be afraid to look like a jackass out there. Everyone sucked starting. Get good at donuts and figure 8's and the rest is easy. Reason being that you really need to learn about throttle control, car control, steering wheel control, and most importantly you need to be at ease being sideways.

Good luck and have fun.

Ima go out there for May Mayhem and make a jackass out of myself then! Hope no one laughs TOO hard haha.

[DreamN]

^ I'll record that ish and post it on myspace with comments of "look at this poser in his mustard colored hatch" "wtf? it's actually a probe with a 180SX conversion!"

:lol:

[Flipzide]

I just bought my 93 240sx Fastback...stock 5 speed.
What are the first steps to take and what parts should I change to get me on the track to start learning?

IMO, be must haves in order...

0.) SoCal Drift Sticker, 626 Drift Sticker, Touke Sticker, or I <3 Just drift sticker :lol:
1.) Fix everything on the car so you can pass tech and not overheat.
2.) SA2000 or SA2005 Helmet
3.) LSD or Welded Diff
4.) Extra set of wheels/tires

Optional for first time
5.) Bucket Seat

The 4 listed above is what I recommend all my friends to have for their first track day. Everything else is really not that important until you start figuring out what you're doing at the track.

Some tips you should do that helped me out:
1.) TAKE YOUR TIME! Everyone sucked when they start.
2.) NEVER BE EMBARASSED! Everyone sucked when they start.
3.) Try not to get too excited and overdrive the car.
4.) If you spin out, try not to burn your tires. Save em for legit drifts :)
5.) ASK QUESTIONS! IF YOU'RE NOT ASKING QUESTIONS, YOU'RE NOT LEARNING!
6.) Everyone is chill at an event. Say hi and make some new friends ;)


Aside from that, heres stuff you should bring along with you to the track.
1.) Lots of water
2.) Food
3.) Lawn chairs
4.) Umbrellas or some type of portable shade for summer events
5.) credit card for gas or emergencies
6.) AAA. If you don't have a trailer, this will save you!
7.) Lubricants (WD40, PB Blaster, etc)
8.) Basic Hand tools, jack, lug nut wrench, etc.
7.) Motor Oil, Coolant, Distilled Water, Brake Fluid, etc.

Optional
7.) Spare parts (tie rods, axles, etc.)


Let me reiterate again, HAVE FUN HAVE FUN HAVE FUN HAVE FUN HAVE FUN HAVE FUN HAVE FUN HAVE FUN HAVE FUN HAVE FUN HAVE FUN HAVE FUN HAVE FUN HAVE FUN HAVE FUN HAVE FUN HAVE FUN HAVE FUN HAVE FUN HAVE FUN HAVE FUN HAVE FUN HAVE FUN HAVE FUN HAVE FUN HAVE FUN HAVE FUN HAVE FUN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SUPERSTAR]

This is what I suggest for those who want to get into drifting.


Don't do it. Save your money. Have a life. Get a nice car.


But if you still want to do it then read on.

Parts I recommend having.

1.) 2 way mechanical LSD ( I use Tomei and love it)

2.) Coilover ( I believe that ride height does help a lot when it comes to the actual driftability of the car. Too high and you sway and dip too much.) But don't go too low either. Wiring might get fucked on the front fender if you don't relocate and bottoming out all the time sucks balls)

3.) The little drift e-brake button ( because it fucking works and it comes in handy when your too lazy to have to push in the knob thing all the time)

4.) Bucket seat and harness ( you need a good bucket seat that will hold you in and allow you to concentrate on driving rather than trying to balance yourself. )

Engine wise you can drift in sohc which I have before and for sure KA dohc. I actually believe that drifting a KA is easier and better for those who are beginning. The powerband is consistent and as a noob driver you don't have to worry about turbo lag.

Every other upgrade is a luxury or just an upgrade that I don't think you need other than what I listed above.

Also don't be afraid to look like a jackass out there. Everyone sucked starting. Get good at donuts and figure 8's and the rest is easy. Reason being that you really need to learn about throttle control, car control, steering wheel control, and most importantly you need to be at ease being sideways.

Good luck and have fun.

whole new respect for you Jack, very good info. :thumbup:

[DreamN]

very good posts. i see no reason why anyone reading this should feel unprepared for their first event or any event for that matter.

[90 DGRZ]

yea every little thing and their mom has been covered here.



***this post is solely to take away from Jimmy's effort to own the board.***

[SUPERSTAR]

Flipzide hit a lot good pointers too.

[Boogerlovers]

honestly, i feel incredibly informed after reading this thread... :mrgreen: and i cant wait to get my helm, diff, and get out on the track

[Flipzide]

honestly, i feel incredibly informed after reading this thread... :mrgreen: and i cant wait to get my helm, diff, and get out on the track

that's good that you're planning to use protection before popping that cherry of yours. :lol:

[Robert]

change EVERY fluid(power steering, brake fluid, clutch fluid, diff gear oil, tranny gear oil, engine oil, coolant) if you own a 240 and havnt done so already. change the oil and oil filter after every track event. dont use cheap oils.

take your car to a mechanic for an estimate to see what condition your car's in if your not quite sure. if your car has any issues, fix the issues yourself and save $

a general mod list for any 240sx:

drift spin knob
*track event*
subframe spacers
*track event*
welded diff
*track event*
seat
*track event*
coilovers(spring and shock combo's work fine)
*track event*
suspension linkages and alignment
*track event*
wheels and tire
*track event*

after you've been to about 7 track events, you can pretty much decide for yourself what you'd need next. drifting on a near stock setup was the best learning experience for me.

[Flipzide]

subframe spacers


what exactly do subframe spacers do?

[WoolyS14DET]

They stiffen the rear sub frame !!! :thumbup:

[Flipzide]

They stiffen the rear sub frame !!! :thumbup:

which results in oversteer?

[BlackParade]

They stiffen the rear sub frame !!! :thumbup:

which results in oversteer?


which results in a more predictable rear end.

[SUPERSTAR]

I didn't know this about the spacers. What's a good brand to use?

[Robert]

the stock subframe's bushings get worn out over time, which results in wheel hop during clutch kicks and such. subframe spacers push the subframe bushings into themselves to make them stronger. they do make the rear end more predictable as well. oh and take out your clutch "dampener" thingee as one of the very first mods to be done to any s chassis

[Flipzide]

I didn't know this about the spacers. What's a good brand to use?

Hit up Dan at Powered By Max. Legit stuff, yo! You can get free tie rod spacers with em upon request.

[Flipzide]

the stock subframe's bushings get worn out over time, which results in wheel hop during clutch kicks and such. subframe spacers push the subframe bushings into themselves to make them stronger. they do make the rear end more predictable as well. oh and take out your clutch "dampener" thingee as one of the very first mods to be done to any s chassis

hmm looks like i'll be trying that out.. i'm clutch kick happy :lol:

[SUPERSTAR]

cool, what the clutch dampner you're talking about, where is it located?

[BlackParade]

ive been too lazy to remove my clutch dampner, but its located inline from the clutch slave to the clutchmaster. follow the line from the clutch slave for like 8 inches and its that box looking thing.


Here are some more things you can do to your drift virgin. when you lower the car, you start to bottom out in your front fender wheel well. when you bottom out, two things happen. one, you start to eat away at the insulation to the wiring harnes on your drivers side front fender which could cause several electrical problems, or in gary's case a blown motor...sorry buddy. and two, there is a sharp piece of metal dierectly above the tire that cuts at it everytime suspension travels towards it. The way i remedy this is by doing a bit of cutting and artistic hamer work. but most people just hammer it out of the way untill it stops hitting.
another thing, find a spot you can do a couple of full lock dounuts, and see if you have any rubbing issues at full lock, then take care of those as neccesary.

p.s. the subframe spacers i have are by peak performance. they are almost plasticy, so they are not as stiff as the metal spacers that other companies use.

[SUPERSTAR]

sweet, what about the wiring? what do we do about that?

[Peter]

This is what you do to remedy the wire rubbing problem.

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php? ... =wire+tuck (http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=148857&highlight=wire+tuck)

[SUPERSTAR]

Thanks you

[duece40sx]

Is an allingment very important for drifting?

[Tyrone Biggums]

if your streeing wheel is off is not that big of a deal.but caster camber and toe do play a big part in everything else.

[Flipzide]

i would say alignment is VERY important...

it determines your tire wear, if your car understeers, oversteer, wheel fitment, etc.

i get horrible tire wear right now because I'm currently not using any rucas/toe rods to correct my alignment on the rear wheels, but it also helps me kick out because less of the tire is making contact with the ground.

a couple events ago, i snapped a tie rod and installed 2 new ones.. my steering was sloppy because my toe was off...definitely ended my day.

i'd say if you were a beginner, spec out everything to oem. then play around with people's setups and learn what stuff like camber and toe would affect in your driving...

[BlackParade]

an alignment is a huge part in how your car drifts. However, you dont have to go out and try to get the most agressive alignment settings. Adjust your car to the ride height you like, then get everything aligned to factory specs. everything except front camber, front camber should be somewhere between 2.5 degrees to 3.5 degrees. currently im going between 2.5 degrees to 3.0.

[duece40sx]

all the alingment places here suck though.. they always tell me they cant make it right because i need aftermarket control arms.. It took them like 4 hrs the last time i took my car to get allinged

[SUPERSTAR]

For proper alignment it takes about an hour or more. If you have aftermarket arms and tie rods, a custom spec alignment takes 2.5hours or more to be done correctly.

[Flipzide]

Do you guys have a Trueline up in LA?

The one down here in Chula Vista (South San Diego) works out of the pits. I bring my car to do alignments there and I know for a fact that the Westslide Connection guys get their alignments there as well...

[SUPERSTAR]

Do you guys have a Trueline up in LA?

The one down here in Chula Vista (South San Diego) works out of the pits. I bring my car to do alignments there and I know for a fact that the Westslide Connection guys get their alignments there as well...

No we don't have one of those.

[Hachigo Pro]

ok so i have a quesiton.

ive been reading that its better to start with stock suspension.

but i have already lowered my car significantly.

but i do know my car pretty well in grip conditions, and in the times ive gotten it sideways on wet surfaces.

should i convert my suspension back to oem for a drift day? or just leave it how it is?

[cfrost]

ok so i have a quesiton.

ive been reading that its better to start with stock suspension.

but i have already lowered my car significantly.

but i do know my car pretty well in grip conditions, and in the times ive gotten it sideways on wet surfaces.

should i convert my suspension back to oem for a drift day? or just leave it how it is?

just leave it how it is

stock suspension is a real pain in the ass

i learned in a corolla on stock suspension and it did learn a lot, but you're not going to lose out on to much from havin ga decent suspension and driving

it's teh guys that show up with 350hp, coilovers, arms, and 2way that don't benefit from having started on a more 'disadvantaged' car

but i really do believe starting on a crappier car makes you a better driver in the long run

(long live the ae86 :P )

[Hachigo Pro]

awesome thanks a lot mang.

since u learned on a corolla guy did u learn on welded or a 2way?

and which 2way do you prefer out of TRD Cusco or Tomei

[SUPERSTAR]

Tire make a big difference and for sure RUCA's

[jack is cool]

Tire make a big difference and for sure RUCA's

PeakPerformance is the shit!!!

[SUPERSTAR]

PeakPerformance is the shit!!!

Really? What's the difference between those and the ones from PBM?

[Teddy]

Really? What's the difference between those and the ones from PBM?

The name.

[Nieko]

did u notice SPL copied PBM's rucas also?

lol

funny stuff